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damo_m's picture

By damo_m - Posted on 30 January 2013

Note that this ride is Cancelled.
When: 
Sunday, 3 February, 2013 - 08:45

The meeting times are 'ready to ride'. If you need time to prepare equipment then please arrive a few minutes earlier.

Duration: 
2 hours
Come Rain or Shine: 
If it's raining, I won't be there.
Ride Database Entry: 
Red Hill
Meeting Point: 

Outside #51 cromer Rd, cromer, will go opposite of there.

Details:

Just a Cruz around red hill , had a great team last week more the merrier!!!!!!

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hawkeye's picture

... with Red Hill's tolerance for rain?

Usually it is the slowest-draining of the northern beaches local trails and stays wet for ages after a good soaking. Maybe you'd want to check it out on Saturday before the ride? It might be OK, given the recent long hot spell preceding, but then it might not.

MTBs riding there in wet conditions is a bit of a sensitive topic among local environmental advocates, whom we are trying to get on side by riding responsibly and treating the area with respect.

Your help would be appreciated. Smiling

damo_m's picture

Yeah fair call, I'll check it out before hand, rode last week very dry indeed.

Simon's picture

This entry, followed by Itchy, up drop zone, XC loops or fire trail west then rim ride to return back drop zone, hike a bike up to fire trail may be okay. Is mostly rock, Itchy drains fast and any water running down drop zone is generally just clean water over rock.

Lady Penryn down to and including garden of gulleys are the areas to avoid after wet weather. I'd also avoid the DH track entry to rim ride.

Count me as a tentative for the ride. If I'm not there leave without me, just bought a new DH rig and I may be at Oxy.

comm's picture

Hows Red Hill for a first timer? will i end up going home on a stretcher?

Matt P's picture

just body bags.....

Red Hill is a very technical track. Take the technical parts of Manly Dam and thats pretty much the entirety of Red Hill.

That said, its a great place to build skills. My advice would be to ride with flat pedals.

Simon's picture

There are many options on the wider bits from rolls to drops.

Other parts you may need to walk. Some of the ups you may need to walk but you won't be much slower than anyone else.

obmal's picture

I tend to agree with Hawkeye in principle.. and I wouldn't ride there when its wet.

But here is the thing; the reality of the situation is that with all the Moto's that will no doubt be there this weekend churning it up after the rain, one or two MTB's will make bugger all real difference to the place..

Years of preaching to whoever will listen and actually doing the right thing by not riding Red Hill when its wet while constantly seeing the carnage that these Moto guys do to the place being totally ignored (evident by absolutely zero action that gets taken) has worn a little thin with me.

Simon's picture

There are routes up there where the only areas with water are on rock if there has been a few clear days without rain.

The only exceptions are two short segments of about 5-10m where it is advisable to walk rather than churn it up.

Link it up other ways and there are areas you should stay out of for a week or two.

Quite often it has a red traffic light and people going on about how muddy it is and I've come back with a clean bike.

thshs's picture

"I tend to agree with Hawkeye in principle.. and I wouldn't ride there when its wet.

But here is the thing; the reality of the situation is that with all the Moto's that will no doubt be there this weekend churning it up after the rain, one or two MTB's will make bugger all real difference to the place..

Years of preaching to whoever will listen and actually doing the right thing by not riding Red Hill when its wet while constantly seeing the carnage that these Moto guys do to the place being totally ignored (evident by absolutely zero action that gets taken) has worn a little thin with me."

Simon's picture

What is the issue in riding on the rock and the areas that drain quickly and avoiding the routes most people take through all the mud?

Parts of Red Hill either are rock or dry out do fast that you can ride without any mud or sny risk of damage a day or so after rain. I have been riding up there for the last 8 years.

It all depends on where you access the place from, avoid the top half.

The problem is the place is massive and the traffic light system should really be divided up into the different sub loops and trail segments.

Some of these rock shelf areas such including some in NP's were this regions wet or recently wet rides because they were fast draining or on rock shelf. The key problem became the uninformed that rode on the areas that were easily eroded or areas with carvings.

hawkeye's picture

Don't disagree, you know the place far better than i. I guess the question is how do we manage and guide riders onto the rain tolerant and better draining trails?

That is, until we get an authorised mtb network up and running Smiling

Simon's picture

Now that people are back from holiday I'm chasing the agreement with the land managers. We really need this first.

For now I just don't like people being hassled when for all we know they may be riding in appropriate places.

Based on the Cromer road meeting point they may be heading the right way.

I'd hope that everyone rides responsibly.

Burt's picture

Rim ride stays wet. I don't see why people want to trash their bikes riding in muddy conditions. Two days of sunshine and everyone thinks everywhere is dry.
It may be ok to ride the muddy parts but as you say, with the increased moto traffic the mud is very, well, muddy...and deep.
It simply doesn't drain as well as other trails.

rallyman's picture

went for a walk through there last night and there was alot of water in the north section (sry dont know the names) just above the sports centre where it starts to step up the rock platforms

also went past 3 red belly black snakes in 200m sunbaking at 6pm so watch out for the wildlife if your up there as there chasing water free rock to Smiling

Simon's picture

That's Red Hill over for the weekend...

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