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Manly Dam Works Feedback
Do you ride regularly at Manly Dam? How have the recent works affected your enjoyment of riding there? Do you have suggestions for improvements or other ideas?
It has been brought to my attention that anyone wishing to give feedback to Warringah Council on their recent works at Manly Dam can do so by writing to their general manager, Rik Hart, at the following email address: [email protected]
As this is a general email address I assume a subject of something like, "FAO Rik Hart re: Manly Dam Works" is required.
I would encourage anyone to report back to the council with their views on what has been happening at the Dam. It's very important we let the council know how their plans and works are received. If we don't let the powers that be know our views there will be no-one to blame but ourselves if things do not go quiet as riders would like in the future.
Please remember to be courteous and constructive and if you see any problems or issues perhaps suggest how they might be remedied.
In the interests of keeping a log of various feedback feel free to CC [email protected] with anything you send in.
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Dear Mr Hart,
I ride around the Manly Dam mountain bike loop a minimum of 6 times a week. I have been riding this loop for 10 years. I ride on my own at odd times during the week and at 8:30 every Saturday and 6:30 every Sunday with different groups of friends.
The Manly Dam mountain bike track is important to me. I care what happens to it.
I am concerned that Warringah Council does not understand the value of this resource and that its management plan (if there is one) specifically ignores mountain biking - even though it is the primary activity.
The Current Problem: Warringah Council's recent maintenance of the track
Nobody is opposed to track maintenance, in fact mountain bike riders would like to be involved as volunteer labour and do more and more regular track maintenance so that the track is rideable in all weathers - but the Rangers currently won't allow it.
My two problems are that the recent Council maintenance is turning the track into a danger zone for riders and pedestrians; and at the same time the track is being smoothed, flattened, widened and straightened making it uninteresting to ride.
Obviously there were no riders involved with designing these works because now there are obstacles (ditches, rock structures, timber steps and waterbars) in exactly the places which could be dangerous to riders, and the overall flow of the track is being rebuilt backwards - the new track flows down to Seaforth Public School (which is the ride "up" side) and flows up at Allambie (which is the "down" side).
The fun ride down behind Allambie is no longer! One section here now has diagonal timber "waterbars" across it every few metres and a drainage ditch which collects water on one side, and then drains it down *and back onto the track* crossing it over to the other side. Obviously nobody with any hydrological skills was involved with that design! Riders are being haptically led by the track off into the Dam now, following the wide drainage ditch going straight ahead, rather than the track which (now) turns left.
And the previous part there - from Monserra to Nyrang Streets - which was technically a little challenging with some nice interesting turns and bumps has now become a straight and smooth path. This inevitably results in bikes riding faster (what else to do on a straight smooth path?) at exactly the location where Allambie family dog walkers are common, so no doubt there will be future confrontations and maybe even accidents.
The short track up past Manning Street/Seaforth School was an interestingly winding climb but is now just a straight line which at the end leads riders into a new wire fence at Clontarf Street.
The only good thing about most of these works is that they don't properly address the problem of erosion (ie they don't stop water running down the tracks, they don't slow the water down, they don't remove the water from the tracks, and they use soils which retain water) so it will certainly be necessary to do them over again in the future - hopefully we can do a better job next time.
The Future Problem: Warringah Council's future maintenance of the track
The very friendly guys doing the maintenance work at Allambie told me some weeks ago they'd spoken to some bloke, who claimed to be a consultant advising Warringah Council, who told them that the Dam track is still too hard and too rough for children and old people. Obviously this consultant has no idea about mountain biking - how did he get the job?
Proposed Solution:
Firstly, Warringah Council needs to satisfy itself and acknowledge that mountain bikes are the primary user group of the Manly Dam track.
Then, any future proposals for future track works - especially track building or maintenance - should necessarily involve consultation with mountain bike users (and I suggest NoBMoB would be a good representative user group) at the earliest possible stage.
Finally, I recommend this future consultation should cover ways and means to make the Manly Dam mountain bike tracks (1) sustainable (2) interesting to ride and (3) suitable for all weather riding and (4) include the riders in regular scheduled maintenance of the tracks.
I would be happy to help you further with this.
regards,
Cambo,
Well thought out and objective viewpoints.
I hadn't taken such a close look at the elements you have pointed out so well.
After a few laps yesterday, I did notice that the track has has sections opened up as you have pointed out; and in other places some real danger added where they have attempted, it seems, to slow riders down. The descent from the new section behind Alambie is without doubt going to cause crashes over those log water bars, and the rough section down to the lab will catch many people out since constructing the steps and removing alternate lines. It is showing that despite the good intent, a lack of understanding or consultation by the council.
As you have intimated, there is a wealth of sustainable trail building knowledge available to draw upon by the council, and many fine examples to use as inspiration. A field trip to Mt Stromlo forest park by the council would be valuable, and we could offer to assist in setting up meetings with appropriate stakeholders.
I guess I should write my own letter...
Every time I ride down that section, I see those steps (are they meant to be steps for people to walk up?) and their sharp wooden corners and wonder "what the f### were they thinking?" Why on earth would they do that?
looks like some one needs to get council to get a proper consultant who knows what they are talking about invovled
Jeff at Traxntrailz or the guys at World_Trail would be well worth contacting
Just received my response,look familiar?
It seems, he has just sent a generic response out to everyone.
The guy seems nice enough but clearly out of touch with the main park users.
So bikers are not allowed on walking tracks but walkers are allowed on known biking tracks,what a joke.
It also states we should slow down or dismount when encountering "challenging" conditions,what about "dangerous" and "stupid" conditions?
I will resend a further email,
I come from a country where "managers" only care about themselves while publicly saying what the people want to hear, and the story of Manly Dam Bike Trak sounds a bit like that. I think they know what they are doing, and they are saying it in the answer they sent you:
"Council has not provided a purpose-built mountain bike track at Manly Dam...The bike trail was never built to satisfy the demands of technically proficient riders, and was certainly never meant to attract increased mountain bike activity within Manly Dam."
This trail remains a multi-use facility (walkers, joggers, cyclists etc) ...This approach compliments ... ethic of passive recreation and bushland conservation."
Basically that tells me that their agenda is not to acomodate MTB but walkers and "pasive recreation".
Also, in the ground I have seen during the last 3 years i rode the dam, the changes that made, a once wonderfull circuit, into a low grade, pretty boring one, and even dangerous (I had 3 flat tires against the logs you mention).
In any case, personally i don't know how effective (or inefective) an eamil to these guys will be, but i will try to write one.
So they specifically state "The bike trail was never built to satisfy the demands of technically proficient riders" and yet most of their recent changes have made it more awkard to ride (e.g. water bars radiating out on the corners) and therefore more technical. Well some of them were, while others weren't
Seems like they're neither listening to themselves or being consistent.
... but here is my feedback. Sorry for the novel...
Very nice answer, I read it until the end but if they like the recruiting agencies they will put it aside without even finishing the first paragraph.
In any case lets hope this helps the issue in some way...
Probably right...
but if we continue to write to them, what will happen is a content analysis of all the correspondence - in which case the letter will count for multiple hits, one for each issue raised.
But you're right, it would have been better if it was short and punchy.