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Which bike is best for Annaconda


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By lost fish - Posted on 05 April 2012

NB: Originally posted elsewhere on the Global Riders Network and appears via syndication.

Help. I am a swimmer. I have no idea about bikes and have agreed to try to learn and do a duo for Anaconda in Augusta in November. I really need help.

1 as a mum after this event I am not so sure I will do too much off road biking (unless I LOVE it) and may do a triathlon (small fun distance) so I want a mountain bike I can use on road too if such a thing exists.

2 I am a chicken going down hill, at the moment, so want something with good brakes and that is light to help me up hills.

Can anyone tell me where to start and what to consider for my bike purchase, please.

Also is there a good forum to post in to get help on training for this event. This really is a starting from scratch experience but I figure if I can swim solo to rotto I can conquor this 32km on a bike.

many thanks

Charlotte

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hawkeye's picture

The critical issue that needs addressing first is this: Is the bike the right size for you?

If it isn't -> it will be uncomfortable -> you won't like riding it -> the more you ride it the more it hurts -> it stops being used -> it will be money wasted.

So I'd recommend in the strongest possible terms you go to a local bike shop that sells only bicycles and related gear and get their help on selecting the appropriate bike. Give Anaconda the miss. You'd do just as well going to Big W or Aldi (that isn't a recommendation to go to either of those places).

Best bang for buck brands presently seem to be Giant and Malvern Star. Go to a bike shop and don't be ashamed to ask lots of stupid questions Smiling In fact, go to a few. Stick with the one you feel comfortable with, and try to negotiate a deal there. Given that you're a self-confest newby (as we all were once) this relationship is probably more important than the actual bike at this stage, as you'll be relying heavily at the start on their help and expertise.

Does this make sense?

Mountain bikes make great fun road commuters when fitted with the appropriately sized slick tyres. These don't work off-road - at all! - but that's easliy fixed by swapping tyres and tubes back to knobblies - 10 to 15 minutes work, with practice (get the bike shop mechanic to show you how).

Hope this helps Smiling

bergrad's picture

I think Charlotte was referring to the Anaconda adventure race and the best type of bike to use.
http://www.rapidascent.com.au/anacondaadventurer...

I cant offer advise on it though.

hawkeye's picture

Yep, penny just dropped. Best bike FOR Anaconda, not FROM Anaconda.

Duh!

Moose's picture

Just for background, I've done the anaconda twice, and my better half did the paddle and ride last year as well. We are in it to finish and beat personal bests, not win the race, but fun is the overriding factor.

As has been said, comfort is the big thing. I'm going to assume you're not trying to win the event, in which case you don't need the latest and greatest bike. Dual suspension will make the ride more comfortable, but a good sizing and measure up on a hard tail will do just as well.

The course itself is largely fire trail (gravel roads), with a small amount of single track. You don't need to be a great mountain biker to go fast around here either, just need to be able to keep spinning. There's a big hill about halfway through that everyone walks (I think less than 10 people rode it last year), so don't be afraid of doing that when you need to. You'll know the hill when you get to it Smiling

+1 for going to a couple of bike shops, Wembley cycles and Malaga cycles have both given me good service over the years. I'm sure others out there are just as good, these are just the two I have experience with. Have a chat and get something that fits, and if it feels wrong, tell the assistants Smiling

As far as bikes themselves, I'd suggest Giant or Specialised, again just because these are the only two brands I've had experience with. My partner rides a Specialised 29'er, I'm on a Giant 26", and sad to say I'll be slower than her round the anaconda track because of it. I think 29'ers will be faster for on-road stuff as well, but I'm sure someone else on here will be better able to comment on that.

If you're planning on using the bike for triathlons it will pay to double check the entry rules, I'm not sure if MTB's are allowed. Even if they are you'll probably want a faster one quite quickly, especially if you're flying through the swim leg.

Training wise just get out on the trails when you can, tag along with the social rides, and otherwise make sure you're doing some decent km's before the event. Check out sleep monsters (http://www.sleepmonsters.com.au) for some good training advice, the rapid ascent website also has good info (http://www.rapidascent.com.au/anacondaadventurer...). Essentially just get the km's in beforehand and you'll be fine. If you can't get to the trails to train, just remember that 2kms on the road is only worth 1 in the bush. You'd want to have done at least 1 30km off-road ride before the event, if only so you can work out what water, food, etc. you need to take.

Above all have fun, train hard, and you'll be overtaking more than you'd expect come November Smiling

Moose's picture

If you have any swim training tips, please PM me Smiling

pharmaboy's picture

Hardtail with lockout for the front forks (so it can easily be used on road, bike paths etc).

For the offroad event, buy some 2.4 inch tyres, run at 20psi - that will add to the comfort in a major way, then buy some narrow road tyres for the bike post annaconda - for your downhill fear, a bike that can be setup with the seat height about the same as top of the grip will help this immensly - eg 1 inch riser bars on a frame for your size with a 100mm fork will often achieve this. This can be modified after the event with a flat handle bar, and removing stackers.

best training is riding in similar conditions and similar distances IMO - as they say, practice makes perfect.... Eye-wink

fat stacks's picture

Hey charlotte. Congrats on signing up for the anaconda event. Others are passing on some good advice about bikes, so I'll give you my two cents regarding training. One of the best tips given to me about adventure racing and triathlon is the importance of transition training. That is, taking the time in your training to include running after a ride or paddle or swim (and various combinations). This doesn't mean simulating a whole event. For example, just incorporate a 15-20 min run after your ride or paddle, or get on your bike for a few kms after having a run. Your muscles will thank you for it in the event as you switch between disciplines. One of the biggest challenges in that sort of event is getting enough food and fluids down. Unless you're racing to win, running out of energy will beat you before you reach your limits in terms of fitness (assuming you go into the event with some training in each discipline and a good general level of fitness). So, include some fine tuning of your nutritional needs in your training and be prepared to force down some food and fluids so as to avoid the dreaded bonk (hunger flat). Good luck with training and have fun in the event Smiling

Cotic Tony's picture

I haven't ridden the Anaconda myself but a few mates have & have told me that it's generally not too technical but has a few fast downhill sections and plenty of fast fire trail. 32km should be between 1.5 & 2 hrs riding.

If you are reasonably fit and are on a budget (Don't know how serious you're going to be about future riding) I'd recommend a lightish hard tail bike (One with front suspension only). You should be able to find something for less than $1000 but at around $1200 (With discount) you start getting a really good allrounder hard tail bike with few compromises.
As already mentioned here, it's best to take a few out for a spin. Most proper bike shops will do this. Avanti, Wembly cycles, Bike Force etc.
Dual suspension is nice but unnecessary for this event and will cost more or be slower.
A 29er (Big wheeled bike) will be faster and imho will handle better but as they are still pretty new to the market therefore be less likely to be discounted. Some of the basic ones are also much heavier than an equivalently priced 26" bike so keep an eye out.

Training: Get up to the Camel farm in Kalamunda around 8 to 10 am any weekend and you will be able to find people riding that will help you get started. Ride around & get to know the gears & brakes. Learn to climb and learn to select the right gear BEFORE hitting the hill.

Good luck
T

lost fish's picture

Thanks hawkeye. That certainly does help. It is amazing how a simple thing like the right size will make such a difference and does make sense. Being 6ft tall I often have to look in the blokes section so I will certainly try to find a shop...over an internetbpurchase... that takes my height and the importance of size into consideration....I think they could make a difference to my cycling enjoyment. Happy riding.

lost fish's picture

Thanks hawkeye. That certainly does help. It is amazing how a simple thing like the right size will make such a difference and does make sense. Being 6ft tall I often have to look in the blokes section so I will certainly try to find a shop...over an internetbpurchase... that takes my height and the importance of size into consideration....I think they could make a difference to my cycling enjoyment. Happy riding.

lost fish's picture

Was going to reply to you all but see I managed to post one message twice so for everyone's sanity thank you so much for all that advice. I think I shall certainly be making that height adjustment for the downhill part, although I'll have to print it off & tell the man at the bike shop as I don't quite understand it just yet!
I am a little daunted that 32k off road = 64k on road as I did a 13k ride & thought I could double that! The road is long but thanks to your help & ideas I am dead excited about it & relieved at the leave pass to walk up that hill in the race! Maybe I won't be such a lost fish after all.

juffy's picture

It's not so much a 'leave pass' to walk up it as that only 10 people in the event have the skills and legs to ride it. So it's either walk up or fall off trying. Smiling

If you need tips specifically for the Anaconda then this is probably as good a forum as any - I've done the Augusta course twice, and it sounds like I'm not alone. My biggest tip would be to make sure your legs can handle the run->swim transition. A lot of people have problems with cramps (particularly hammies/calves/quads) coming off a hard 14k run and diving straight into the chilly southern ocean. If your legs go south that early then the MTB leg will hurt. (trust me on this... Sticking out tongue )

lost fish's picture

I had a look at some bikes today and have an appointment to be 'sized' properly this week. As I am so tall tey are suggesting a mans bike. Will see how I go with the sizing.
Fortunately I am only doing a duo so after the swim leg I can relax before having to ride then run. We certainly aren't out to break records all though I am hoping the extra bike and leg fitness will assist with my overall swim placing. 5th in 2010 and midfield last year 6 months pregnant.
Can't wait to try more bikes. Thanks

hawkeye's picture

That may well be the case that you end up on a mens bike. Reach can be adjusted with bars and stem length.

However, you definitely want to try a women's saddle. Appropriate saddles are probably the biggest issue females face with bike fit. Males have narrower hips and therefore their sit bones are closer together and need narrower saddles. Most bikes are sold with mens saddles.

On a woman, whose sit bones are generally wider apart, these saddles will be too narrow and your sit bones will miss the spots they need to rest on and you'll end up taking your weight on your sensitive bits instead. This is not even remotely conducive to being comfortable! You will most likely need something wider. If you do end up on a man's bike don't let them send you out the door with the stock saddle unless you've tried a women's saddle on the bike to compare first.

So, one suggestion I'd like to make if I may is to find a bike store that sells Specialized brand bikes, and talk to one of the Body Geometry trained guys/gals. They can put you on their Ass-o-Meter (don't worry, it's not invasive Eye-wink ) and use that to select an appropriate saddle width from their range. This gives you a much better chance of finding a comfortable saddle.

Bear in mind that there is always a few weeks of uncomfortable sit-bones until your butt hardens up. However, if your soft tissues are tender, numb, or tingle after a ride you are putting pressure on them and the saddle isn't right.

A good pair of bike-specific padded knicks are definitely worth the investment, and these are designed to be worn "commando" - underwear has seams in exactly the wrong places, and going commando is the best way to limit chafing.

Hope this helps Smiling

Juliea's picture

Thanks Hawkeye, I have been watching the posts on this one and your advise re the seat is great. I have been riding for many year (rode) and have only taken up MTB in the last year. I never have a problem with soreness on the rode, but if I do a longish ride on the MTB I have sore bits. I particularly like the tip about wearing 'commando' style, I think this may be my problem.

Oldernslower's picture

What Hawkeye wrote +5000 Smiling. You may also want to try some butt cream. Some swear by it but others don't like it as they want to toughen up the skin. Some use it to prevent general chaffing and help the skin on the sit spots. So it's a personal decision. As you have a rest after the swim leg you can apply it then.

HTH

hawkeye's picture

+1 to oldernslower (hey we got a mutual admiration society going Eye-wink Sticking out tongue )

Chamois cream is definitely worth trying. I use Assos. I'm finding I'm needing it less than I once did, but then what I'm spending on knicks is a lot more than it used to be.

Bibknicks rock from a comfort perspective and I now rarely use anything else. The shoulder straps keep everything up, tight, and in the right place so that you don't get folds in the wrong place that end up rubbing a hole in you. Sometimes, though, usually on longer rides, a liberal application of chamois cream is worth doing. Experience will be your guide.

If it's a casual ride rather than a race I'll usually wear mtb-specific overshorts over the top both for social etiquette reasons and for abrasion resistance. Mtb specific baggy overshorts have a high crutch so you don't snag your shorts on the saddle at the wrong moment. The pad in baggies with a sewn-in integrated knicks-type liner is usually pretty ordinary, so I prefer them separate.

There's a whole thread on here somewhere about knicks hygiene - the advice was outstanding and I'd highly recommend a read from start to end.

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Found a pic on another forum:

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