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What make’s a good event ?
After having a great day out at the Willo last weekend, travelling home, my mate and I started discussing – What really make’s a good event ?
I thought this would also make a good forum topic. With the competition out there amongst the various event promoters and with MTB event attendances reducing, our feedback may provide the opportunity for our event promoters to incorporate some of our comments into upcoming / future events.
To start things off, here are a number of aspects that in my opinion contribute to a good event ?
1. Atmosphere / Environment
This is a hard one to achieve, but anyone who attended the Willo last weekend will understand the smiles / friendship / respect / attitude that this event provides.
I don’t know whether it is because of its in memory of a great ambassador of our sport, or it’s the start of a new season, or something as simple as the huge race sign on board that gives everybody that small ‘pro’ feeling but this event definitely has a social vibe that it is difficult to find at other events.
2. Course / Trails
Lets face it we all like different things – but we all love single track. I think a course that provides enough challenge – whether it is climbing / descending / technical obstacles that challenges the participant is an important key ingredient. Single track, but mixed in a course to provide opportunities for riders to pass and compete. A course that runs through mixtures of forest landscape / scenery. And finally ensure the course markings a clear and unambiguous.
Again the Willo course is a great example of a course with my idea of all the right criteria.
3. Location / Access
We like to travel, but not many of us have the opportunities to travel long distances every weekend. Events that are within 3 hrs of major cities (preferably less) have the biggest chance to capture the biggest audience.
Once you get there and need to setup, easy access to your vehicle, and parking with reasonable proximity to the course allows you and potentially supporters to be relatively close to the action.
I love the fact at the Willo, you can reverse your car / van / ute up to the trackside and have access to food / repairs / tools etc right there.
4. Entry / Registration Goodies Bag
I am amazed over the years that the entry fees have steadily increased, but the basic registration / sponsor offerings available in your entries / goodies bag has decreased to the case in some events all you receive is your race number.
For 99% of participants the experience of the event and the goodies bag is what they take away. Whether it be a gel, a water bottle, a pair of socks, a medallion whatever – it would be good to take home something more than just your race number. It may not be important to some of us, but the smiles a junior gets from the simplest little token gift goes a long way.
In other cases some promoters are creating category systems so that a larger majority walk away with something. I know this does provide the opportunity for riders to measure themselves over a broader spectrum, but it also dilutes the categories to a level that often only 2 or 3 are competing. Is this really the point ?
If rewards are what people want, provide more spot prizes or entry gifts.
5. Prizes
For those who are lucky enough to be at the pointy end of the field, make the prizes relevant and provide some correlation to the effort required to get there and achieve the result.
We know that sponsors / promoters have limited budget and we should be thankful for their time and investment in the sport. But some attention should also be given to the athletes who promote and exceed in our sport.
As an example at a recent event a rider in a 50km race was a provided a free solo 12hr entry at an alternate event. It is a possibility, but unlikely, that a 50km rider will want to participate as a solo entrant in a 12 hr. Why not provide a free entry in their category of choice at the next event ?
The point is, the prizes don’t necessarily have to be substantial just relevant. Make use of sponsor product or the promoters own event promotions to add to the prize pool. Eg. Event tshirts left over / over printed, or accommodation vouchers for popular hotels that obviously benefit from large participation events just to name a few.
6. Sociable Start Times
Nothing like starting an event at 8 or even 9am. See atmosphere above. Especially during the cooler months, everybody appears so much more sociable / happier getting ready, than the obnoxious 6 or 7am starts.
These are just a few things we believe contributes to a great event. What’s your thought’s ? Share your ideas and inputs.
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My last Gravity endurance race at Stromlo ticked all of your boxes. But having to stand in line for up to 50 mins to get the shuttle to the top with a decent breeze was not an example of organisation and contingency.
Personally I don't care about goody bag prizes. I'd rather see the entry costs come down.
After a mate got into serious trouble following a nasty crash a few years ago, one event is forever off my list so long as it is run by that promoter. The litany of process failures and the apparent lack of urgency or care when it was explained how serious the injuries were and what was going wrong is difficult to forgive.
Knowing the organiser has you and your mates' backs with quick response and good access takes that worry away. The Mont and the Back Yamma Big Foot come to mind as good examples.
Consistent signage also helps. Inconsistent signage was a big contributor to my mates crash. Lots of warning for little challenging sections, none when it really mattered.
Regarding the course, there can be such a thing as too much singletrack. It's nice to have regular little fire road breaks so that you can get a hand off the bars and down to your drink bottle. It also helps with letting the fast guys past without breaking your flow.
Tracks with good flow that still reward superior skill with quicker lap times always exert a strong pull on me. Looking forward to racing at Wylde again.
Atmosphere - that's a whole post by itself.
Good point Matt - nothing worse then getting ready for an event not knowing when things are going to start (believe me this is not always that obvious) - the order of proceedings etc.
Then after the event concludes, it is not unheard of to be still awaiting presentations 2-3 hrs after the event has completed with 80% of the attendees having packed up and gone home.
If anyone has seen or been to the Cape Epic - this is the platinum std for event organisation.
Good topic, Dicko.
Atmosphere:-
I think this changes with the type of event. The multi lap races (chocfoot, mtbgp, etc) have a better atmosphere than the marathons. Maybe because you get a chance to talk to people during the race, I'm not sure but take Capital Punishment for example - it was just a case of turn up, race, then go home. I don't think I talked to anyone before or after the race.
Course:-
I prefer singletrack heavy races, Kowalski Classic is a great course in my opinion. But each to their own.
Location:-
Anythong within a couple of hours from the CBD is a lot more likely to get attendance as it can be done in the day. I'm guessing here but I bet most riders partners aren't into mtb so getting a pass for the weekend including all the associated costs can be hard to get.
Access:-
Depends on the event. At a marathon it doesn't really matter as you don't go back to the car once you're moving. The multilap races all seem to have it about right, cars are close to the track within easy walk to the transition area. I've never had a problem.
Entry Fee:-
These are generally high. I get that there are costs to putting on these events including wages but when the entry cost is added to accommodation, fuel, gels, etc. it can become quite prohibitive. I'm not bothered about goody bags and would rather money go towards fee reduction or photo discount.
Prizes:-
Agree totaly what Dicko says.
Start time:-
8am starts are perfect. Time for travel to the event (upto a couple of hours), register and get warmed up. Any earlier and you need to either camp or have the expense of accommodation etc.
I think the track is number one, if the track is crap then the rest will not salvage the event. Hence for me, the x hour events where we do laps on great MTB courses are the most enjoyable.
Second to that are the riders, riders who quickly let others pass and those who pass politely makes the whole vibe on the track very positive and fun. Aggro behaviour really dampens the vibe.
Thirdly, the buzz helps. Like the drummer in the middle of the night at the mont and a bit of energy happening in the transition area. That is done very well at the Mont - which happens to be in a few days. Really looking fwd to that again for the n:th time.
Consequently, Stopped doing Dirtworks and Fling etc as that tends to feel a bit like road riding on dirt roads although I've heard fling has improved a lot over the last few years so it might be time to revisit.
Of the non lap events - Tathra is king in my books and that is wholly due to the track we get to ride.
I think there is a lot of things that combine for a good event.......
Some of the things that help keep me happy;
1. Rego - A simple 'Hi, how are you, what's your surname". At one lap based series that we frequented (and actually won overall in 3 man the last year we participated), the greetings ranged from complete disinterest to outright rudeness. Suffice to say, we haven't returned to their series. They were also very petty in terms of making us move cars but then allowing others to park exactly where we were.....
Martin and Julianne from RT are always happy and polite, even when they have a line of 50 people to get through.
2. Toilets - when you're getting 3-400 riders to an event, 5 portaloo's won't cut it. Don't skimp on the shitters.
3. Race start - make it clear that you need to be honest about your ability and pace; if you can't hold the wheel of the rider in front, then get out of the way for those that can.....
4. Timing - I want to see my lap times as soon as I finish a lap so I can compare it to my team mates/competitors.
And one last one for the AM type races;
- Why only have one race run on Sunday afternoon after 1pm? Why not just have timing running all day? You do an easy run down, check your times, then head back up and start trying to beat your mates. I think it would create a good atmosphere - you do as many or as few runs as you like and the rider at the end of the day with the fastest time wins.... It would remove the huge lines at the start of timed runs and let you race for more than one or 2 runs.
Yup, Willo has to be right up there with getting the balance right. Agree with all your points. Although I heard they did get the signage wrong and some of us did some extra single track on the first lap - ask Brian
I'd like to add:
7. Pre-setup tents
I thought this was agood idea at the Convict (shame they failed on the planning, pitching them on the town's designated Helipad which was not cool!). But in general it was great being able to turn up and not have to mess about with a tent. Because everyone loves packing up a tent after coming off a 100km race right.
8. Beer
The best events without doubt are those that give you a beer when you cross the line.
I could think of more, but I have to pretend I'm doing some real work now.
The sponsor prizes need to improve at SOME of the events as they are just getting rid of old stock that they can't shift....which is fine for random spot prizes but a poor effort for those who have busted a gut to get onto the podium.
For example, at the Fling last year, for a 3rd place in the 30-39's I received a pair Shimano XL socks.Not great for a bloke who wears a size 43 shoe.
A mate who placed 2nd got a set of obsolete PRO (Shimano's house brand) carbon bars in a 650mm width, which I believe are all left-overs as most people would be running a wider bar.
Anyway....I probably sound ungrateful, but a prize that can't be used is pretty useless.
Phil
I think everybody did extra ST first lap.
I believe they then changed the course for 2nd and 3rd laps to avoid the bit of ST near the end of the lap.
I dont believe it was incorrect signage - just a course change - ir make the direction they wanted people to go much more evident.
D
Dicko , I thought the second lap was different , but put it down to the fact I was concentrating on just keeping it upright .
Things that I want from events
1.Single track that has been prepared/raked /pruned . If I'm paying money I expect the organisers to spend time preparing the trails .
2. Good kids races for different levels and ages . The Willo and Tathra are by far the best at this.
3 . Event atmosphere . Drummers , bagpipes . Bands all good .
4. Being welcomed and appreciated by the organisers /promoters. Rocky trail and James estate are unbelievably good at this. Also I've noted the events run by volunteers always seem to have the best vibes.
5.not having to wait around till 4pm for the presentation . Plus if your not there u can't win the major prize . If I have paid the money I should be eligible . Partners /wives don't like to hang around all day on the possibility u might win a random prize .
6.as mentioned above , prizes that rant excess shit they can't get rid of . My worst was tubeless kits for 26 inch to x country racers all on 29 ers . Why not beer , wine , local produce , free entry for next year .
7. I dislike loudmouths on the microphone who are only interested in the elite riders . I think it is great when they grab random people crossing the finish and ask them about their experience.
8. Good communication prior to the event
From my experience I think that it takes a combination of things as already mentioned.
Also Atmosphere-
Having been to some of the larger events and also a smaller event a few years ago atmosphere is also a big one for me.This means rider numbers, but I also like attending events where the best riders are at which tends to be our bigger events anyway. Mountain Biking is one of the few sports where you get to play on the same field(or ride the same track) as the best in the business regardless of ability.As mentioned prize money does need to be appealing to this group and I fully support rewarding these guys & girls considering the hours committed and sacrifices made.
Track Marking
The more signage the better, under fatigue it very easy to miss a turn or when in the hurt box spending a couple of seconds looking down to see how many km's of pain are left can result in a missed turn.I thought the recent Capital Punishment got this spot on.
Trails
I think a combination of a bit of everything(Firetrail,ST, Hills etc) would be ideal and tends to test all skills & abilities over the course of the race. In saying this I like the fact that each race brings there own character such as predominantly ST or vertically challenging.This I feel gives good feedback to the rider as to where there strengths and weaknesses are by results in different races.It is then up to the rider to either work on areas that need improvement or look at other events that suit their style more.
Get Away
As much as I like where I live and where I ride(locally) I enjoy riding other trails and even traveling on different roads to new or familiar surrounds. Anything between 1-4 hours travel from the city is good, however thoughts have crossed my mind looking at the race calender about how far I would travel to attend a MTB race.I guess if they ticked all the boxes mentioned It may only be a matter of if the boss approves the leave.
I find track congestion is difficult. It is unnerving the whole thing about having "track" yelled from behind every few seconds increasing in volume while at the same time being polite about overtaking people who are also enjoying their own race.
It helps if riders are similarly matched, not so much by ability but more by the race catagory. Events which are solo/pairs, or all teams keeps the pace similar. Overtaking opportunities help also.
Willo works really well because the length of the lap is long enough so you are not stuck being lapped all the time or lapping. You may see the elites flow past but that is always good to watch and one of the great things about mtb. The other solution is point to point, but this can limit the amount of singletrack.
I wanted to add my 10 cents worth as I am event organiser, and wife and mother of a couple of keen racers.
In short we now apply a discerning filter over the events we attend.
Living between Sydney and Far Southern NSW (way south), we look to support events with-in a 3-4 hour radius. However if the event ticks a lot of boxes ie: unreal track, great location with things to do for other family members, good food, good feedback from other competitors, we will go that extra mile.
ie: We raced in Pemberton WA for the recent National Series round and The Willo. We also like the smaller friendlier series - where we get to meet, the same (and new) competitors and develop those friendships mountain biking is famous for.
After being stung by some events we also often just grab a group of mates and go on "study tour" weekends to new destinations - where we get to control the date, action, ride times and FUN.
BUT AS a whole things we like:
i) realistic entry fees for racing beautiful prepared track. Entry fees so you can afford the whole family to race. Reduced fees for Under 18 entrants.
ii) prizes that you can use (not that I ever win them)
iii) early presentations (not that I ever get to stand on podium - but I have waited around for delayed, delayed and more delayed presentations)
iv) Spot prizes u don't have to have to be there for (We live five hours away can't hang around until midnight to collect. Thus have had to sacrifice bikes and Fox Forks!!)
v) Plenty of toilet facilities, food options (in fact any facilities after paying $120 to enter an event)
Vi) Good event organisation: ie: how easy was it to enter, good communication - especially if ther is rain on the radar, easy directions, parking, easy rego, friendly people, well signed and prepared track.
viii) great location. affordable accommodation.
NOW with my event organisers hat on.......
Can you roll the dice and win everytime? NO!
BUT below are some insights into what we think and how we plan.
Firstly - We work on the principle - IF WE WANT YOUR ENTRY DOLLAR (and for you to come back) - WE ARE GOING TO EARN IT......
Thus 5 years on at the Tathra MTB Enduro - This is where we are.....
i) Entry fees haven't gone up in five years (thou this year if you enter late - you will get charged more). We are however all volunteers.
ii) The event hub is at the Tathra Country Club - one km from town - meaning you can ride to the start line. Family can play at the beach (across the road), there is food in town and at the hub and that beer at the end. There's also lots of toilets
iii) We are all volunteers - so we try to keep it friendly and fun and a little left field.
iv) Prizes - all podiums get a pack with locally produced food items. Spot prizes are drawn during the race - so you can collect them when you've finished - including the big prize weekend accommodation.
v) We endeavour to put our event on a long weekend - JUNE LONG WEEKEND in 2015 - so you get time to race and relax. The event is also at an time of year so accommodation is AFFORDABLE and available
vii) FIRST AID - We take this seriously. We have the Bundadung Roamers - who ride around the tracks during the race to keep an eye on riders/and or injured. Most of us are surf life savers with first aid, and one of our committee is an orthopaedic surgeon and has fixed numerous broken bodies. We also have a GP at the hub during the event.
viii) We stagger starts to split fields and aid single track congestion (works but not totally so) - also helps if other family members are racing other event
ix) Offer events for whole family. Events are progressive from 1km - 100km depending upon age, fitness and skill level. This gives kids etc..something to aspire to in the future.
x) LOADS of single track (thou be careful what you wish for!). The single track is all raked, pruned and prepared.
Xi) All the money we make - is returned to the community. In the last 5 years we have put solar panels on 8 community organisations, co-funded the recently launched IMAGINE solar farm, assisted other local service organisations (who help us run the Enduro) and kept the Tathra tracks maintained.
xii) We offer full refund if we cancel due to bad weather. Sadly we can't control the weather. In Tathra there is a core group of 8 who look after the trails. SO if it rains lots - we are never (THAT'S NEVER) going to race on our trails.
I know some people think this course of action is weak and deprives them of their RIGHT to race, and that we are mean and stingy. However I can bet these people have never volunteered one hour, or lifted a rake to ever build or prepare a track. Can you imagine what 500 bikes would do to 50km of single track if it was drenching wet - or the VOLUNTEER hours it would take to repair. Most of us have seen the Mont track after a gazillion laps (in the dry). What about in the wet??
That's why we offer you your money back!
xiii) We offer free steak knives..... Just kidding. But in the past we have given entrants a drink bottle and this year it might be socks!
We are always open to suggestions....and don't claim we got it right. But we are trying.
www.mountainbiking.com.au/tathraenduro
Thanks guys - some great insights !
I have personally experienced the Tathra Enduro in its inaugural year. Even then it displayed the attributes of what we all love about a great event.
I will be back this year, and will be bringing the family for exactly the reasons you have outlined in your post.
As the initiator of this post my aim was to drum up interest amongst competitors - be it the weekend warrior, racer or elite and the promoters like yourself. We know there is not a one size fits all but its great to know there are organisers like yourselves that are listening and have the communities and our interests in mind.
Thank you
Barrababy
Your post has just inspired me to get off my backside and enter !
See you at Tathra this year for some fantastic trails, that community feel, and of cause that post race bevvy
D
I plan to do this one as well
ahhh, you men are music to an event organiser's heart.
glad to hear you are heading outside that 3hr comfort zone (but if paradise was closer to Sydney it wouldn't be paradise? or just a very crowded one!)
I look forward to meeting you and hope we live up to your expectations.
Food, coffee, drinks...I cant understand why this is hardly looked after at every race and/or event. People need to eat, drink, have a coffee. Get food trucks in, they are happy to come along, and not ONE but as many as you have space for. Charge them nothing but ask them to give you 5% of their profit. Organise the food yourself and make shit loads of money for the next event. Thats how you actually make money, food, coffee, merchandise, sell t-shirts from your event, make $10 on every sold one. Its not only about the race, its about people coming there, families, partners, kids, let them have fun as well and make money with them. This is the only way you can actually make some profit, put on better events, lower entry fees and make more rider attend.
And maybe just a thought with Enduro getting that big these days. Can you name events that arent Enduro races name differently? No offense, it seems here in Australia they've always named it like that but times change so cant you just re name them? Endurance maybe rather then Enduro?
noun
a long-distance race for motor vehicles or bicycles, typically over rough terrain, designed to test endurance.
Nice one...so lets tell the Enduro World Series and all the other "Enduros" out there that they are doing it wrong. Fair enough to me, go ahead.
Our name - Tathra MTB Enduro - was developed before the ENDURO format of late. Ours signified endurance and to use marketing speak we are "rebranding" next year to avoid confusion.
Interestingly The Willo - is actually the James Williamson Enduro Classic! - and thats XC racing too.
As for food at events.....We have the Lions Club on the BBQ doing breakfast and lunch. We have a coffee van and we have the Tathra Country Club with chinese, softdrinks and beer. This year we also have wood fired pizza. However we have to be careful -as unlike other events that are located in the boon docks of a forest. Our event hub is close to town (1km) - and we also want to support the local cafes and shops that sponsor our race. Nothing is ever as cut a dry as it seems.
... and given that it is about bringing income to the *community* why would you change that? Everybody benefits. The community gets behind it. It's one of the things I enjoyed so much about the Highland FLing - the whole town gets behind it. Now that creates *atmosphere*.
Good on you.
....local support. I love going to events and having the local community both really get into the event and also perhaps gain some $$& themselves. Whether it's a few dollars to the local RFS to camp at event HQ or scouts selling bolognese the night before the event, etc., etc., I think it really adds to the atmosphere.
....volunteers. Hand in hand with local support I guess but those that marshall courses, write down plate numbers, check us in at rego, etc., etc., usually for nothing more than a t-shirt and a chicken sandwich. It puts a smile on my face when I see the support that races receive that without, would not be able to be held at all.
Nice to hear from your side Barrababy
I haven't done the Tathra enduro yet but with luck might manage it this year. My family and I spent a week in Tathra last year and it was brilliant. Its a fair drive from Sydney but was well worth it. My family all ride and we base our holiday destinations around mountain biking. It was great to see a community which so clearly supported mountain biking and it was great to be able to spend our money to help support that community. ( The year before we went to Forrest in Victoria which was a similar experience ). For anyone who thinks Tathra is too far to travel from Sydney, you will change your mind once you have ridden the trails there....
On the topic of events, I mostly do 100k races and regularly do the Mont 24.
I like events which are relaxed and family friendly. Most events have kids races but I find them to be too short to be challenging. My oldest boy is ok to do the adult races now but my 9yo is in the no mans land between ' kiddies' races and the adult races. The 'participation' type rides of 20 - 25km are ideal for him but most events won't let a 9yo ride in them. Kudos to the organisers of the Husky 100 for letting younger kids in their event. while I enjoy the Husky event a lot, the main reason we go to do it each year is because my son gets to put on a number plate and go for a relatively serious ride ( notwithstanding the f*wit who rearranged the course markings this year...) I think there must be a bunch of kids in a similar position.... keen to try the big events but way too young to get into the 'junior' categories which seem to start at 15yo.
Other things I like...
Close by accommodation or the ability to camp at the event centre.
100km races where you don't come remotely near the event centre until the finish.... makes it much easier to keep turning the pedals without being tempted to DNF.
In 100k events I like trails which make you feel you have been on a journey, ideally trails with variety and scenery.
In lap races, I like the lap to be fairly long ( I don't have an ounce of fast in me but I have kilo's of steady...)
In lap races I like tracks which have sufficient places to allow for passing. ( i don't pass too many people but I'm an expert at letting faster riders past me.... ). I find the Mont tracks pretty good for this. I contemplated doing the 24hr at Mt Annan but when I rode the course, the areas where people could pass me seemed few and far between. I like to ride at my pace and not feel pressured into riding at the pace of the rider behind me. I also don't like riding with someone breathing down my neck because if I go down, they go down too and use me as an airbag ( anyone who knows me will understand my paranoia...)
Strangely for someone from Scotland, I really don't care about getting a beer at the finish line ( Sorry Phil B.... I must be getting old ! ) By that time I'm usually full of endura and goo and am slightly delirious anyway. the last thing on my mind is a beer right before driving home. Now if they handed out cans of ice cold IRN BRU I'd be a happy happy man.
The more food opportunities the better. The Mont gets this pretty much spot on.
Local involvement. Local volunteers helping out, local scout groups, SES etc all make these events feel incredibly positive and create a great affinity between riders and the local communities. I frequently use events as reconnaissance for our next family holidays so the more affinity I feel with the local community, the more I want to go back there and spend money to pay them back for their support.
Good bike shop support at the event centre. I remember Hugh from CBD fixing my derailleur hanger at midnight before a dirt works 100 after it got bent in transit. I also remember him fitting a new rear mech to my mates bike at halfway in the same race when it disintegrated on the fast descent into 10 mile hollow. He only lost about 10 minutes instead of getting a DNF and having to limp back to St Albans. All the bike shop mechanics who turn up and provide free supports at these events are legends. As with the local communities, the affinity thing is important. I'm more likely to support bike shops who are out supporting riders.
Sponsors. Many of the events we do would be impossible without support of sponsors. As with the community and bike shop comment above, I prefer to support companies who support our events.
Location Location Location. When my family was very young, I would work hard to get the brownie points to go away to an event and had to choose events carefully. We realised pretty quickly though that most races are in really nice locations and that it could be a great excuse for a family weekend away. All you need is a race in a location with good access to family friendly pastimes and suddenly I was being ordered to find new races to go to ! Pretty soon, the family are riding bikes and we are all entering the events. Bliss !
It always amazes me how few dickheads there are at mountain bike events ! Its always such an inclusive, open, friendly bunch of people.
I like events where local clubs and volunteers have put effort into creating and maintaining tracks and then instead of being posessive about them, they welcome hundreds of other riders to come and enjoy them ! Stokes my faith in humanity....
Cost. I don't know how much it costs to put on these events, but I don't see event organisers driving round in Porsche's. I know some of them lose money. At the Mont last weekend, a couple of triathlete friends were commenting on how cheap it was to enter compared to the triathlon events they had done which would cost about 3 times as much. ( I don't know anything about Tri events so don't know if they are inherently more expensive to run. But it was an interesting comment... )
So.... from my point of view, if an event can tick these boxes, I'll come back each year to do it and encourage as many mates as possible to come too. I'll probably come back for a holiday or for weekend trips with the family and do as much as possible to support the communities who help make the events so enjoyable.
CB
Accommodation booked and entry done for the Tathra MTB Enduro
http://nobmob.com/node/50796
This one's well worth the long drive from Sydney. Too bad it's on the same weekend as Choc Foot's Enduro up the road at Mogo. Decisions, decisions...
Yes - It's hard for an organiser when you have other events come over the top of your date.
More so when they are in the same area!??$&