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Bottomless Tokens
Just wondering what peoples experiences with bottomless tokens have been like. For those who may not be familiar with bottomless tokens take a look at this: https://www.sram.com/rockshox/technologies/botto...
I've been riding around with the standard factory installation of two tokens in my Pike (140mm travel), however, I removed one before today's ride and was very pleased with the results. Running the same PSI I found there was an improvement in small bump compliance and overall plushness.
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I've got the Rockshox revelation 140mm on my stumpy, and was bottoming out all the time. I tried more pressure to stop this but found this made it a lot harsher and uncomfortable. I added some tokens in (2 or 3, cant remember), dropped the pressure slightly, and this made things a lot better.
Usually the harder you ride the more you need.
AFAIK, tokens should be the last step in the setup process.
Set your sag (air pressure) first. Then compression and rebound to taste.
If you're taking big hits and bottoming out, adding a ton of pressure will totally ruin small bump. Using tokens will have less effect on small bump but ramp up pressure at the end to prevent bottoming out.
Ideally you should use all of your suspension travel on your biggest hits. If you're not, (and sag is correct), remove tokens or ride harder
I use similar on my Lefty.
Wasn't getting all the travel even running only 50psi so in parallel with a damper retune (the MY2013 Leftys were infamous for being stupidly overdamped and harsh) took the large spacer out and bought a pack of tokens.
With a bit of trial-and-error I came up with a setup that was suitably plush for the small bumps but used most of the travel on the bigger hits.
If you're not liking your fork performance this is worth experimenting with.
"Running the same PSI I found there was an improvement in small bump compliance and overall plushness."
My understanding is that adding / removing tokens changes the way the suspension reacts as it ramps up towards full compression. To improve small bump compliance, I lowered the PSI in the fork, and added a token to stop it bottoming out on bigger hits.
With the same PSI in the fork, wouldn't the small bump compliance be the same?
A play around on my Reign, found the following article really helpful in the changes that I made to my Bike, and maybe this might be helpful for others too.
https://nsmb.com/articles/rock-shox-tuning-camp/
Always remember to write down your initial settings before making any changes, and then again for each of your changes.
Only do one change at a time, that way you can feel what each one does.
I don't know much about the Pike but I think it could be more sensitive to small bumps with added tokens.
I think the fork balances the positive and negative a small way in to the stroke. If so the tokens would make the pos spring have a touch more pressure at the balance point so the negative spring would get a very slight bump in pressure over a stock fork.
Or I could be totally wrong, just buy a Diamond with OTT adjust
Not a Pike or bottomless tokens, but I run the same thing on my Fox 36 and Float X (volume spacers). With correct sag set and nice small bump compliance I was bottoming out on the bigger hits. To avoid that I increased the air pressure a bit, but then lost my small bump sensitivity.
Adding volume spacers allows me to run the lower psi for correct sag and also prevents bottoming out on the big stuff. Highly recommended to experiment if you’re finding similar issues.