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By Rob - Posted on 12 November 2007

Re: This ride meeting: 
2007 Highland Fling

Two weeks after The Mont and back we go to another field full of tents for some more race fun. Here's how the 2007 Fling went for Rob...

Aside from not getting a decent nights sleep (due to roasting hot sleeping bag inside chilly tent - too hard to get the temperature 'just so') everything ran smoothly on Saturday and Sunday morning. Seemed to be timing things just right, from arriving, setting up and giving the bike a once over to rolling up at the start with 10 mins to go.

The Mont chainring bite from couple weeks earlier had become infected (annoying as I asked the medics to put Betadine on it and they said it wasn't required) so I'd been on antibiotics and a strict, 'keep it clean' regime since then. This meant coming to the Fling without riding for two weeks. Not the best prep. but not to worry as there were various bail out options - one of which I was pretty sure would be taken.

Given this relaxed attitude and an almost guaranteed 'DNF' I was more than happy to chat with Andy (there for support) at the back of the grid with his mate, Ev and Greg. In fact, we hardly noticed the start and eventually sauntered over the line and away.

Had fun on the way, in and around Penrose. Some great views in the early morning light and easy riding. Well, what would have been easy riding - the wet ground was a little tacky and probably made things harder than they felt. Thankfully the weather was warm though so wading through knee and then waist high (and I'm 6' tall) creeks wasn't an issue. Couple of sections of deep mud, but nothing to be too annoyed about. And although much of the first year's sniggle was gone from Penrose, had some fun in what was left, especially when the Elite riders came by - managing to get on their train and fly round for a few minutes until not making it past another slower rider. Think he was a bit puzzled when he pulled over a couple of corners later and I leisurely trundled by, no hope of catching the train of course.

Transition came along soon enough and was feeling fine - no bailing here and no skipping stage two will be required. Into Wingello we head and it's all easy still. Hit some top sniggle that's all new to me. Loving it. The plan for this race was energy conservation so was trying to keep the HR in 130-140s on the fire trails - this was going well and although more energy was burnt in the sniggle didn't feel that much of a strain.

Sadly though, even before leaving these great single track sections I began to feel nauseous. Had been drinking heaps of water and a bit of Gatorade/Endura mix. Probably had three gels by then. Stopped and ate some of my peanut butter/honey/banana sandwich and felt a bit better. Nibbled on the remains of a Powerbar started earlier too.

Got to the 55Km water station and felt pretty rough. Well over four hours gone now and took a big break here. Refilled the hydration pack, plenty gone from there, hydration is not a problem (as many visits to the forest had proven). Ate some more sandwich but felt decidedly sick.

To be frank, I don't like feeling ill in races - it's not fun. At this point I knew exactly where we were and figured I could bin the course and ride back to Wingello in 30-45 minutes. Considered this for a while but thought that was a bit soft as the rest of this stage wasn't so hard so would at least do that. There were free bananas on offer at this stop and wanted to eat one or two, but just couldn't face it. Brain thought, "No food == no energy == slow ride to transition and an early end for me".

Ev was looking a bit tired at this point, but Greg was motoring - we let him go and bumped into Don and Keith so rode with them. Downhill and uphill - in fact I climbed 'halfway hill' and the following pinches without any real problem - the other guys were pushing some of this. The legs are fine but stomach is not, stopping is silly, the nausea just comes on stronger but entering 'The Wild West' section even the legs hit 'empty'. I'd been slightly ahead of the other three at this point but from then on I have to thank them for dragging me in - I was in a pretty sorry state and brought up the rear. We stopped at one particular corner for a few minutes where I lay in the shade and felt like death.

If this is all sounding a bit familiar, don't worry - it wasn't quiet feeling quiet the same. No dizziness and just a different kind of agony Eye-wink

Not much more to add then, we got back to transition (80.7Km by my reckoning) where I jumped straight on the Sag Wagon back to race HQ. This was after 7h24m elapsed but only 6 hours exactly moving time. I don't suppose that's too bad an effort but not what I wanted. Ate the free feed back at the event centre and began to feel better. Waited for what seemed like an age for the three guys who left me to roll in, and when they did thought I'd made the right choice. Good on you (and everyone else) for finishing, but not for me this time!

I can't help think that there's something very wrong with my stomach. I know one can't survive an all day ride on gels alone, but eating four of 'em and riding 40Km should not make one feel that ill, subsequently screwing up the feed plan. Or maybe I'm just wrong - I'd be more than happy to hear what anyone could suggest as a better fuel strategy.

FWIW, after the comments from Dirtworks ate smaller (2 x museli bar + banana) breakie after decent sized (but not enormous) pasta the night before. During the first stage ate 2 gels, drank 2l water + standard bottle with 1 scoop Endura, 2 scoop Gatorade mix. Second stage ate a Powerbar, 2 more gels, peanut butter/honey/banana sandwich (wholemeal bread) - all before 55Km and drank another 5-ish litres water, plus half bottle of mix before topping that up with water (no more powder) and finishing it.

And profile as it turned out:

http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/4404289

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kiwiboy's picture

did you seriously drink 7 litres plus 2 bottles ?

Seems like a power of water. I mean I am a sweater and a gulper, but found on the day I didn't drink more than 3 litres plus a bottle for 4 hours / 55kkm. Recommendation is 1 litre per hour of exercise as I understand it.

What gels did you do? I find Endura the only one I can stomach - lots of the others contain a lot of caffiene (GU specially for most).

The mixture of so much water and a huge amount of carbs will definitely make your gut upset - well it does for me.

One of the things I have found good on races is fresh dates - little packages of natural sugars.

But I am most assuredly no expert, although as I am sensitive to too many processed carbs and suffer cramps I tend to be careful and have reviewed a number of sites for advice.

M

Rob's picture

Ahhh... yes Kiwiboy, that's top advice. I have been told elsewhere that dried fruit (apricots I think) are great for this but forgot. Doh!

Looking at that pic of my top tube it went Powerbar Gel (PG)/Gu/PG/PG. By then I was so sick that I decided to stop eating altogether.

Maybe I did drink a lot (and to be honest, didn't think was sweating as much as I could) but since Dirtworks am a little paranoid about that!

Looking back at enduro events I didn't feel ill at, seems that stopping and eating proper food (sandwiches + bananas) with just one or two Powerbars or Gels works best. Guess I should go back to making a nice day out of it instead of trying to eat on the bike Eye-wink

Carlgroover's picture

from what I have read and what works for me for long events, your body can only take on 750mls of water per hour, I think this must be for an average weight person if your big go straight to a litre, anything over this and you make your body process the water for no benefit. If the water in your stomach has a high concentration of sugar your body can't absorb it quickly.
If you're worried about dehydration particularly in hot weather start drinking extra water 2-3 days before the event your can easily absorb an extra 2 litres.
I've also read that you can only use 350 calories from your stomach an hour and again if you eat extra you will lose performance, everybody knows how tired you get after pigging out on Christmas day it takes a lot of energy to digest food.
Everyones stomach is weak if your pushing hard, if you feel sick during exercise it's normally because you've just eaten more than you should have, eat 1-2 mouthfuls every 10-15 mins.
Don't eat low GI foods during the event, you need the calories fast.
Cheers John.

Little-Ditty's picture

Rob, no need to worry about drinking too much. Better to get it wrong and drink too much than not enough. And you will just pass out what is not needed. Just ask GAZZA!! Sticking out tongue

Paul's picture

Remember when under exertion your stomach/gut doesn't process food as quickly, especially digesting solids. The closer the food source is to liquid the quicker it is absorded - even Gu, etc needs to be dilluted to be absorded.

Buck's picture

I had an Endura gel at the transition zone and when I started pedalling down the firetrail again I felt terrible in the stomach. Had some big sips of water and I soon felt back to normal again.

kiwiboy's picture

Of all the gels I have had i find the Endura to be the easiest on the stomach.

I agree with John - low GI is not what you need, but I also find processed carbs and sugars sometimes problematic. GU gels upset my gut every time. On the other hand supergirl swears bananas give her a crook stomach when riding and refuses to eat them, and swears by those yummy Endura chocolate bars (jeez i should be selling this stuff!! seriously they are good) and gels. Bananas work fine for me, so go figure. As I said previously, fresh dates are good, cos they are very soft and essentially pure sugar which work quickly with water - just gotta watch you don't gag on the stone!!

Basically trial and error to find out what works for the individual.

Paul's picture

You may know about this but I found this site a good source of info

http://www.rapidascent.com.au/asp/Nutrition.asp?e=

dreggsy's picture

hmmm lessee here

dinner the night before was
A burger with the works, quiche and salad, washed down with a beer.
some fruit cake for dessert.

Breky was
1 x tin creamed rice,
1 x Banana
1 x 1/2 fruit cake
1 x Coffee
1 x Hammer Gel (same thing as GU but better)
1 x Banana
Then during the race I ate
1 x powerbar
1 x protein bar
10 x hammer gels approx

I felt good all race apart from a broken chain and having to play catch ups.
All up riding time for the 110km was 5:34.07

Cant wait until next year I might even do some training for it.
I did see a bunch of nobmobbers feasting on some bbq'd meat goodness.

dreggsy's picture

I went to Steves seminar a few weeks ago
heres a link to a .pdf in regards to endurance nutrition

http://www.hammernutrition.com.au/labels/Enduran...

craigs's picture

I'd reckon there is too much reliance on "product". Being on Antibiotics and having an infection would not have helped at all.

Water 500-750ml hour definately.
I alternate water with powerade or the likes on the long rides and thats about it. Easy on the tummy and provides the salt.

A combo of normal food ie sandwich and fast energy items...snakes. The old addage, dont change anything on race day....sticks with me.

The tips on preparing a few days in advance are on the money. Eat and drink well in the lead up.
Dried fruit can have a nasty effect on the rear end so beware!!

The elites (not that I would know) would probably eat little and drink less. True they are done in 4 hours but level of output is still very very high. The ones I have seen fly by have a drink bottle or two and thats often all. They fill up at the transitions.

Realistically, you can only do what you have prepared for and no amount of product will get you through (but will help to a degree of course)
I know that I am usually under prepared and go out way to hard!

Lets work on it for the next event.

Bernd's picture

talking about nutrition! I'm very p*&*8 of with myself!!
I did not eat at all!!! stupid, I only had half a power bar at transition.
Then I had a GU soon after that and at about km 45 I hit the brick wall!
Yes, I will plan it much better next time, to make it worse, I had a second power bar , 3 more GU's with me!
lesson learnt...
Bernd

Little-Ditty's picture

Bernd, its like driving to Cairns in a day. You just can't physically do it without stopping, eating, drinking, relaxing, sleeping, somewhere along the way.

Similarly, when you are riding a distance event, you only have a couple of hours of food/energy reserves until your body will start cannibalising fat tissues. You need to force yourself to stop and eat at least once on a 50km ride - maybe even 2 or 3 times. You will lose 1 minute stopping and eating. But you will gain many more by riding more strongly later.

Sometimes it can be very hard to remember this when you want to go-go-go!! Smiling

Carlgroover's picture

What's wrong with the pedal and chew method?

Little-Ditty's picture

Because it makes you do something about your appetite. Otherwise you give in to the thought that it's easier to just keep riding, and I'll eat something "just a little bit later". You don't lose that much time if you scoff it down. Based on my knowledge of the ppl we ride with here, there is no shortage of ppl that scoff their food down. Eye-wink

Carlgroover's picture

But because your body is not putting much effort into digestion, when you scoff down your food, you increase the likely hood of feeling crook, I've never felt crook nibbling away and enjoy small regular treats, however since we are talking about racing, I'm happy if everyone else stops and eats large meals mid race. Smiling
John

Little-Ditty's picture

We are not talking a banquet here... just one or two muesli bars at a time. Easy done! But if I remember correctly, when I rode Coffs, I would have been happy to just give up and eat a steak dinner instead. Eye-wink

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