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I was unaware that a lot of this sites stuff (forum talk/trail status) is mirrored at NSWMTB?
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Not really, its hosted on the same server.
Yeah, NSWMTB runs the same system with same logins and some shared content. It actually needs an update (will be getting it in couple days I hope) that only shows events that are posted on club sites.
MUDMTB and CTMBC are using the same system too, as is the new BMORC site (although they are not a club). The BMORC guys didn't decide which parts they want to share so you see it's pretty empty at the moment with just couple of their own forums. It might stay that way, it might not. Let's see how it evolves.
The idea is that site owners choose which content they want to share and which discussions they want to be part of (after all - equipment is pretty much the same the world over, eh?) but they have their own site flavour. Someone said to me it was like ordering off a menu - nice analogy.
We've been doing this for a while as the system works so well on NoBMoB seemed a shame to keep it to ourselves
Visit http://global-riders.net/ for more info. This is just a front really, nothing much to see there
As well? and can i furthermore assume that they will not be passing these onto 3rd part providers who will use these to sell products to me (us)?
Lorrie
@lorrie. Yes, you can assume that. We will never give or sell your contact details to anyone unless that has been disclosed for a specific purpose. Any details you enter on your profile page that are disclosed to members are flagged as such.
But it says that here anyhow: http://nobmob.com/privacy
I see the issue here as being the sharing of our posts without our prior knowledge.
I understand anything you say in the Internet is public, and anything on the NoBMoB forum is publicly viewable also, however looking at one of these 'partner' sites a viewer gets the impression that the content was posted directly to that site and not copied from another.
I think we all believe that we are participating in a NoBMoB (only) community discussion. I would be taken aback if I was to meet someone on the track who starts talking about a post I made to a forum on some website I've never heard of.
Perhaps there should be some indication which site a forum posting originated from? So that someone reading a forum on site 'xyz' knows the posting originated from site 'wxy'.
Perhaps user preferences that indicate your willingness to have your postings mirrored to other sites? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall seeing anything like this when I registered my account.
I don't think I have any issues with sharing my postings. There is however some limited personal data in our user accounts and there should be some protection of this information. Currently it looks like this is shared across 9 sites with an unknown number of administrators having access to it.
Loki, the idea is to get all the relevant info on mountain biking shared without us having to repost the same info on a hundred different sites.
It works great and certainly saves us bumbly club folk the hassle of wading through the bowels of website development, posting the info to our site, finding other forums that may be interested and posting it there then trying to get other clubs to past on the info to their members as well.
Now it's one post and all the relevant sites get to see it.
It's all hosted by the system Rob set up for Nobmob and far as I know (and I'm a admin at CTMBC) he is still the only one with your login and contact details. I certainly don't get them.
I just tell rob what I want, or more to the point Rob comes up with all the ideas and "I say yep that would be cool" or "na we don't need that" and, nearest I can tell, he waves his majick wand and the world is a better place.
They are not so much different sites as areas of NOBMOB with different skins
To answer a few of these points...Loki says:
I see the issue here as being the sharing of our posts without our prior knowledge. I understand anything you say in the Internet is public, and anything on the NoBMoB forum is publicly viewable also, however looking at one of these 'partner' sites a viewer gets the impression that the content was posted directly to that site and not copied from another.
Given this is a public forum and anyone can login and reply, does it really matter if they see your post on NoBMoB, or another site. If the topic is relevant I would have thought that posters would be happy to have a wider audience. This is partly why the moderators (and no - I am no longer the only moderator on this site) are a little strict in making sure posts end up on the right forum.
I think we all believe that we are participating in a NoBMoB (only) community discussion. I would be taken aback if I was to meet someone on the track who starts talking about a post I made to a forum on some website I've never heard of.
OK. Sorry if that would upset you. Frankly I'd find it cool. It's always funny when you meet people in the flesh when you've only communicated on a forum before. It's usually a good thing (unless you've been flaming them, which is not a good look anyhow) to meet like minded people, don't you think?
Perhaps there should be some indication which site a forum posting originated from? So that someone reading a forum on site 'xyz' knows the posting originated from site 'wxy'.
Yes, this is a good point. We can look into putting that info on there. Again though - if a post has been placed in the relevant forum it shouldn't really matter.
Perhaps user preferences that indicate your willingness to have your postings mirrored to other sites? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall seeing anything like this when I registered my account.
You are correct... there was no mention of that when you registered, but that's because the idea hadn't been imagined then. That said, you knew you were signing up for a completely open and public site and anything you said here would be public.
I don't think I have any issues with sharing my postings. There is however some limited personal data in our user accounts and there should be some protection of this information. Currently it looks like this is shared across 9 sites with an unknown number of administrators having access to it.
Thanks for mentioning that (you don't think you have issues with this).
As for protection of limited information. Any member can see those parts of your profile that are mentioned to be public (that is all the info on your profile, unless it explicitly says it is private). They just login and view your profile. Any private information is not visible to anyone aside from the administrator. That's me. Yes, there may be other moderators, but they cannot see any more profile information than anyone else. All these sites run off the same server and the same database so there's no duplication of data.
I hope that answers your questions. To be honest, there has been no announcement about this because I wasn't sure how well it would go and it's all a bit new. Given the spirit NoBMoB was created in, that of an open community interested in spreading word of how great MTB is I honestly didn't think anyone would give it a second thought. I imagined they would be happy to have less logins to bodies like NSWMTB and be glad to have the option of seeing club events posted in the calendar for example.
If this has offended anyone I'm sorry, please PM or email me, or post here with any more concerns.
P.S. to follow up on the implication that someone has spent the last four and a half years building an MTB website for the purposes of harvesting email addresses to sell is a little insulting. A quick Google suggests 5 cents per address might be the going rate. There are 2566 users on this site. A few of these are duplicates, a few are spammers themselves. This equates to the princely sum of $128.30 if they were sold at that rate. It's laughable to think anyone would put in so much effort for such little reward, never mind the alienation this would bring which again, it's hard to see anyone would risk for that amount.
Rob, first of all I would like to thank you for the effort you put into setting up and maintaining this wonderful web resource for mountain bikers, and in uniting the MTB community. Viewing the NoBMoB site is a regular and enjoyable part of my daily routine. I'm not offended by how these sites operate and hope my previous posting was not viewed as criticizing in any way.
Now that we all know that our posts will be mirrored on other cycling related sites yes it would be cool to meet someone from another area, and this highlights how the Internet can be used to unite people with similar interests from all parts of the world.
And yes it will be nice having one login to multiple sites, and not having to worry about cross-posting in order to reach a broader audience.
Point taken about the personal information - it would be relatively easy for anyone to setup a fake user account and view user profiles and this information should be regarded as open to public view. The site administrator or moderators have no extra access or detail.
Now lets go for a ride and have a beer?
Cheers,
Jon
No worries - no offence taken. Hmmmm... dirt and beer
Someone has access to login details? So I shouldn't have made my username and password the same as my CBA account?
@daveh... LOL... clearly you are joking, but...
Even if CBA allowed the username 'daveh', passwords one-way encrypted before being stored in the DB. Even if you have a dump of the database (which you could only get by hacking the server itself, and then the database), it's highly unlikely that anyone could discover the original plaintext from the encrypted password.
That said, there are MD5 databases popping up so the Drupal folks (this site runs on Drupal), being paranoid as they are, have decided to defeat such attempts in the next version. See http://drupal.org/node/29706 if you like long reads about encryption options and patches
Yes, very much joking. Not trying to tell anyone how to suck eggs but the terminology is hashing rather than encryption. MD5 was broken long ago, although it is still a low risk issue for those using it. Look-up tables can be used for any hashing algorithm unless they salt the password before persisting it. This is adding an extra little secret to your password before hashing and storing it. The other way to secure your password even more is to to make it longer, phrases are often great passwords as they are easy to remember and long. Special characters in a password are all very well but it is password length that matters, more characters = harder to crack.
Very much off topic and after trying to be a cool, mountain biker, I am very much showing my nerdy, uncool, programming colours. BTW, I like Drupal, I think it is a great tool and this site is an excellent example of how well it can be used. Nice one! Where do you host the site?
You nerd!
Shhh... I can't tell you where it is, or they might take it away
Again, joking, but... you never know. Oh look, I might have given the game away here:
http://nobmob.com/node/9923
http://nobmob.com/node/7187
Actually, that last picture is amusing. I hot swapped the fans in there the other day so they all (1 x intake, 2 x centre, 1 x CPU) face the same direction (in the picture the only fans are 1 x centre and 1 x top CPU). Also filled in the sides and front either side of intake to better coral the airflow. Works very nicely
I'd like my passwords salted and hashed please, too.