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Cascades update for 18 Aug


Lach's picture

By Lach - Posted on 18 August 2015

Area: 
Cascades
Status: 
Green/Open

Rode today from Ralston Ave down Heath, up Lower Cambourne and Cascades trail to Acron Oval. Hadn't done Heath for a while and surprised how rocky it has become. Need a few runs to remember where to safely launch off the water bars. Ascent of Lower Cambourne and Cascades Trail is pretty well used but fine.

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JonesIris's picture

Thank you for going from Ralston Ave Belrose,
as riding from Wyatt Ave is riding through PRIVATE Property.

hawkeye's picture

Where is this?

danielschipper's picture

According to the Warringah 2011 LEP Wyatt Avenue extends past the gate, around behind the sub station and joins Ralston Avenue. The private residence off the closed part of Ralston is listed as 56 Wyatt Avenue and is on the corner of an un-named road that extends to the top of the fire trail.

It's all public information available at: https://eservices1.warringah.nsw.gov.au/ePlannin...

Would be great to hear the alternative perspective so that matter can be cleared up.

danielschipper's picture

According to the Warringah 2011 LEP Wyatt Avenue extends past the gate, around behind the sub station and joins Ralston Avenue. The private residence off the closed part of Ralston is listed as 56 Wyatt Avenue and is on the corner of an un-named road that extends to the top of the fire trail.

It's all public information available at: https://eservices1.warringah.nsw.gov.au/ePlannin...

Would be great to hear the alternative perspective so that matter can be cleared up.

kitttheknightrider's picture

but I wonder if someone has made a little detour around the gate to avoid getting off at the horse logs?

Lach's picture

.... I'm guessing this is a real or imagined issue about the house on the southern (Cascades) side of the substation?

Pyrate's picture

has appeared at the top there where the fire trail meets what is apparently Wyatt Ave. The LEP has that house as 56 Ralston.

If the dirt section of Wyatt Ave is a gazetted road, which by dint of being named and represented on the LEP map it probably is, then it is not private property. Indeed by being a gazetted road it is a public right of way.

MC's picture

I've never seen a sign?

You'd think if it was private property and there was an issue there would be some sort of signage. I rode in from Wyatt a week ago alongside the power station and there was no hint of anything.

There is a new gate there just before Heath Track starts but it only seems there to keep cars out. You have to ride past it to get to the Heath Track no matter which way you enter.

MarkkyMarkk's picture

As a surveyor, this issue has intrigued me, so I've done a little investigating -

The NSW Dept of Lands maps at http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/ show that the trail from the end of the bitumen at Wyatt Ave follows the cadastral road corridor for a couple of hundred metres before entering a couple of the land parcels comprising the Electricity Substation.

JonesIris - Is this the private land you are talking about?

Because it's quite common in NSW for there to be a mismatch between the alignment of service roads & firetrails within official cadastral road corridor boundaries. These original road corridors were originally drawn hundreds of years ago, at the time of the original land grants to settlers of the colony. However, it is often found difficult or impossible to construct a formed road along these official corridors & the trails encroach upon private land. Depite this, it is not considered to be trespass since it is the only practical form of public access, as intended.

Therefore, unless JonesIris can provide other documentary evidence, there are no issues with riders entering the Cascades area from the end of Wyatt Ave.

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